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Out of exile in defence of MG's comment on Suicide

A page in the diary "Is the plural of Precipice "Precipi"?"
Written by akita1970 30. Jul 2008 01:38 PM

MG: Just realised that you are Lazydreamer; welcome back mate and I hope this finds you well.

I felt so strongly about the condemnation MG recieved because he dared challenge some of your beliefs I felt I had to say something rather than continue to skulk around here like I've been doing lately.

And yes I have an over-developed saviour complex but hell I've earned the right to it.

MG your comment is neither offensive nor unwarranted, in fact quite the opposite. I applaud you for standing up to the glassy-eyed masses and their carbon-copy cliches.

in fact it shows that you care enough for the welfare of those on this site to try to dissuade them from falling prey to primitive superstitions at a vulnerable time of life.

I agree the very idea of being "at peace" or "in heaven" conjures up dangerous & insidious yearnings for those longing to be rid of emotional pain. You have nailed this with chilling accuracy.

I believe that people's errant belief that there is something better witing for them on the 'other-side' just makes it that little bit easier to carry out their suicide attempt. Even an agnostic may swallow the last pill in the hope that their Sunday School teacher was on to something.

I've seen enough death first hand to be able to say with authority that NO ONE goes easy or at peace. Those who believe in a utopian after-life are just begging to be taken for a ride in this life, and that makes me angry.

I've often though that those who suicide are expressing a certain level of arrogance (over their emotional predicament) that says "I dont have to take this; I'm leaving for good". Maybe as tragic as this is we can learn from it.

Education and intervention beats religion hands-down for reducing the nations suicide rates.

What Matt did was terrible, tragic and shows us the ramifications of this affliction when not treated correctly. I genuinely feel for his family, and i feel for those who are hurting as a result of suicide on this website, but we have no choice but learn from the finality of what he has done, and apply those lessons to keep ourselves alive.

Anyway.... with the exception of quoting Shane Warne as someone worth listening to this was your best post ever.... LOL next time give ME your $32.99 instead of buying that wanker's book!

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Comments from the community:

Akita

Not all people condemned MG... I didn't...

I think the debate on suicide should be had...

It is good you support MG's diary... we each have our opinions...

Thank you

take care

rgds
cate

Written by cateblack, 30. Jul 2008 07:47 PM

I think this debate is inapproprate at this point of time, just remember mats family and friends could be reading it. If someone died that was close to you, would you want them going on with dribble around you. It should be deleted and maybe brought up at a more appropriate time.

Mikey

Written by Mikey, 30. Jul 2008 08:50 PM

Hi,

I've been offline & crook as a dog the last couple of days - still not well & wasn't that well when I did the "Depression & Suicide" entry.

I haven't read any replies to said entry & don't know if I will, given that Akita was compelled to defend my entry.

From what I recall of my post, I tried my best not to allude to Matt in particular or to denigrate anything about him, Sunday's entry or people's grief. I assume trying my best still wasn't good enough.

Mikey: Yes, the timing was triggered by the terrible news about Matt. However, it wasn't just the news on Matt I had in mind - I've been here a good couple of years now & have unfortunately seen quite a few entries informing us of the worst news possible concerning a fellow Deppie. And unfortunately, they're always followed by comments about being at peace & happy & meeting again, etc. My fear is these comments could be taken literally by a vulnerable person. I can understand where you're coming from about being so soon after Matt's passing. However, that can be the time when others are particularly vulnerable (hasn't a town in England or Wales recently gone through a spate of "copycat" suicides?).

If saying what I said made/makes one person think more rationally about death; if it makes them question beliefs they've never questioned; if it causes them to acknowledge doubts they've had about the whole "eternal life/heaven" fable or that shows like 'Ghost Whisperer' are pure fiction; and if it makes them consider more closely the ramifications....basically, if it helps them decide to not end their own life, then I can't apologise for the message or timing (only the wording if it was inappropriate).

Written by Deleted_User, 31. Jul 2008 12:51 PM

Thank you for the feedback you left me on my old post Craig in regards to my professed atheism.

I am sorry if I have offended you or other readers, it was not my intent to be inflammatory, and in face I loathe the inflammatory nature of this site at times.

You make a sound point, in regards to hypocrisy.

The only comment I have in this regards is that I was not making a public statement in my own diary I was in fact only responding to MGs diary for MG not to all of depnet, but I do understand all comments and posts are public..

It would be beneficial I think if depnet were to introduce private replies, i.e. you could leave a comment where only the diary maker could view.

I am in two minds about deleting it and I would like to consider my own perspective on it.

Craig, again if I have caused you personal offence it certainly was not my intention and I am sorry.

I will mull over deleting the comment today.

Best regards for a healthy happy day.


Keller/ Liz

Written by keller, 1. Aug 2008 12:35 PM

Hello again,

I am an influential member?? Not too sure on that one, my honesty here does though endear me Ill give you that. Please don’t be concerned about being oversensitive to perceived injustices, this is the most wonderful you can be, when you have an opinion you say it. It is the honesty we all need. You did make me think allot about my entry and I welcome people who challenge in an honest way..as you did. You have not over-reacting to me... in fact it makes me want to get to know you better!

As far as posts being according to if I know them or not, this is true. I do have people I am more connected with here, its just the way it is after a year or two.... However I do not know MG or his former persona of Lazy Dreamer so my writing to him was on what he wrote and with no idea about his circumstance.

Craig it is so hard to hear the grief of others and the questioning they are doing. That we all do, as I said in the post I wrestle every day to stay alive. I have a mantra in the morning of choosing to live and why I choose to live. I hope one day to not have to do that, that I will find in myself the release and relief that just living brings.

We are all fighting I think and when one of us looses that battle it will effect all. And we write it as we feel it, not necessarily considering the greater good of the depnet community.

Hope you are doing OK and I look forward to seeing you in chat or following through your endeavors on the diary side of things.

You made me think today, I like that

cheers


Liz

Written by keller, 1. Aug 2008 02:07 PM