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Written by keller 8. Feb 2008 03:39 PM

I am really distressed about how this DBT group is making me think well no…feel.
Last week we started on emotional regulation and I don’t get it I just fluster around with the activities and the information but it’s like they are talking another language. When I participate (and it is never by choice) I find that I am unable to find the words to say what it is, what I feel and the extent to which I feel certain emotions.


I just feel really scared now, I am noticing my anxiety so much and survived the last week after the group but was so anxious going there this week that I was almost sick….this is not me, I am not an anxious person. My sleep is disturbed, I find I am sitting for hours and doing nothing not even thinking just like in a void.

I found at a meeting last night that I was completely unable to be in the moment, but it wasn’t like I was distracted by my own thinking again it was just a numbness.

Things at home are going reasonably well. I tried to tell hubby about the group and managed to talk for quite a while about what it was and this must be a good thing. He told me I have been more withdrawn over the last few weeks and this upset me because I am trying really hard to be connected with him and the boys, I am measuring my own interpretation of it every day, maybe what is happening is my perspective has shifted. .
I guess I am putting things in place, I feel stronger than I have before in terms of my own resolve but these levels of panic and anxiet seem high, too high given the meds I am taking.

Whilst I was listening to some music and thrashing out notes for my son to play on his sax a memory from yesterdays group has come back to …it was in the morning session and the story turned to how parents treated us as kids, and one of the group members was talking about being held/cuddles. And then we started talking about the need for this, I threw in attachment theory to the mix and one of the therapist expanded on this. But…..what went through my own head that I didn’t share was that I can not remember being held or cuddled. Obviously this has changed in my adult life and hubby is very affectionate towards me, and we have friends who are big huggers and I try I really do but it always feels not quite right. I have to remind myself each and everyday because it is not quite natural anymore. But I have awareness and I am taking action.

I also thought that it is highly likely that the lack of attachment may apply to me. I was in hospital for the first 8 weeks of my life and then I was not bottle or breast fed but was fed via a tube (due to my cleft pallate and other structural mouth swalling things). I have a photo of me at 6 months with this happening, and I am lying on a bed or floor or whatever with the tube and a drip bottle or bag being fed in. I wonder if I had a lack of attachment …guess it seems likely doesn’t it. I don’t have many photos of me as a kid and neither do my brother or sister.

My brother and sisteer and I do not hug each other its often a peck on the cheek, yet I have always felt some closeness to them particularly my brother.

I am just trying to understand all this information that is swirling in my head when it is, and its not as it was before its more I can contain it.

Now it’s the anxiety. I don’t like to be scard no one does. I am scared of the group and I am scared at thought of seeing the psych but I don’t know what this is about. I feel that I have given my psych an enormous amount of my trust, proably still not wholly but none the less a lot and want to be constructive when I go and see her but…I feel quite terrified. I want the sessions to be working well and I want to feel right and live a life worth living. Through my own endevours, her guidance and the DBT group. And I sort of think it will get there. But I am so scared now.

I cant make sense of these feeling I try and observe and describe but I cant get past the stomach ache/emptiness and chest pounding and teeth clenching, but its so uncomfortable.

I don’t know the purpose of this note, it just is what it is. And I know there are no magic cures just keep doing what I am doing. Maybe I just wanted to whinge that it is really hard and at times I want to stop it all, but I don’t sensible Liz comes in and says no just get on with it.



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Keller

Hey my family was not big huggers/affectionate people because they were fighting because my father was an alcoholic and us kids were pulling Queen Bee and dad apart. I know it is a shock to those who haven't had much affection to be with one who is affectionate - partner is big in hugging, hand holding. I can do the hand holding now I have come to realise I am with a person who is affectionate. It is good you are trying to be affectionate with hubby. Sorry he said you have been withdrawn with all of them but that is something you are going to have to review in yourself and/or discuss with your psychiatrist to determine if it is true or not.

Don't let the DBT group beat you. You are getting things out of it even if you don't realise and your contribution even if it is small is important.

Great that you have realised you have a lot of trust in your psychiatrist and you have been open and honest with him. I congratulate you for admitting this.

Go Keller!!!

Studying1

Written by studying1, 8. Feb 2008 04:33 PM

Hey Liz, Dr Gyps here! Gonna b lots of short comments coz its all my mobile'll let me do ok?
I know y group scares u hun, & I think u know it 2 but dont want 2 admit it 2 yourself as then you'll have 2 do something about it & its your biggest hurdle.

Written by Gyps, 8. Feb 2008 06:54 PM

Remember our 1st ever convo in chat? We spoke 4 a couple of hours & I asked u a multitude of questions about just about everything. I got a feel 4 u & the way u tic, then @ the end of the convo I wrote this humongous comment about y I thought u did things

Written by Gyps, 8. Feb 2008 06:59 PM

the way u do & how your career as a corporate big shot dictated how u carried yourself- especially when it comes 2 the emotional side of things. U copied that statement I made 4 future reference.
The DBT group doesnt just FEEL like their talking a foreign

Written by Gyps, 8. Feb 2008 07:04 PM

language- 4 all intents & purposes they ARE! Their discussing feelings & emotions, wants & needs, & Thats something you've NEVER learnt 2 do.
Perhaps it would help u 2 remind yourself your not the corporate big shot anymore so u no longer need 2 wear a

Written by Gyps, 8. Feb 2008 07:08 PM

mask, u dont have 2 carry a persona... I think its about time u learnt 2 relax Liz & let the REAL U SHINE THRU!
U probably hit the nail on the head about the lack of bonding when u were an infant- as coz mother knows, those 1st weeks r the most important

Written by Gyps, 8. Feb 2008 07:13 PM

for bonding. Perhaps your parents r also not the touchy feely type & r old school so they dont show their emotions?
I have no idea how old u r but if 4 example your 40 then u have spent the past 40 years being taught 2 hide your emotions, is it any wonder

Written by Gyps, 8. Feb 2008 07:17 PM

u now cant express them, let alone know how u r feeling yourself?
The anxiety in DBT is because I think u KNOW u will have 2 express your feelings @ some stage & that scares the living crap out of u. How can u possibly do something that u have on idea how

Written by Gyps, 8. Feb 2008 07:21 PM

2 do? Quite simply u cant! Hence u r not only scared of DBT but your literally terrified!
The secret 2 beating your depression Liz is 2 FREE YOURSELF FROM THE BARRIERS U HAVE BUILT AROUND YOURSELF. Learn 2 do that hun & a whole new world will open up 2 u

Written by Gyps, 8. Feb 2008 07:25 PM

a world with more colour & music than when u were able 2 c & hear properly.
There r all the colours of the rainbow in your heart & music in your soul... Dont u think its about time u let the world c your beauty within?
Lots of love 2 u
Gyps
Mmmwa
xxx

Written by Gyps, 8. Feb 2008 07:30 PM

Hi Liz,
Thank you for answering my diary entry., it is a bit scary doing this for the first time and i am sorry i gave up on the chat room, it was all a bit much for me.
You sound very much like me with an understanding hubby and kids to cater for, but it makes it really hard to find out who you are, especially if you have not had a close touchy feely family, or one that favoured one above the others. You feel like you have to cater for everyone else's feelings above your own, then you lose track of who you are, if you ever knew in the first place!!
I have always put a lot of pressure on myself to be the best i can be, and i think that was my downfall, now i don't know how to fix it. I am scared of group meetings, but have a good psychiatrist who is trying very hard. I may get thru this one day. Nouse

Written by Nouse, 8. Feb 2008 08:46 PM

Hi keller

I just finished readingthis entry and I know I need to leave a comment but I am not sure how to go about it so bare whith me please as I try.

As someone that is currently battling with my emotions and not knowing how to deal with them myself. I do in some ways empathise with you and can understand some of what you are going through.

The only advice or sugestion I can give you is to put "EFT" into you search engine andread about it. I am not saying it will work. All I can say is that it has helped me. i will leave it up to you to make up your own mind.

Bassman.

Written by Deleted_User, 8. Feb 2008 10:14 PM

Dear Liz
I don't know anythng about DBT but maybe your anxiety increaing is part of that particular process. Could you ask your Psych about that? It might ease your anxiety
if you are more aware of what to expect in the process. Also, group work is uncomfortable for some.

Written by wirralie, 9. Feb 2008 08:07 AM